Our guests for this episode are Bill Cox and his daughter Jessica Cox. Jessica is a motivational speaker and life coach and is most well-known for being the first armless pilot in aviation history. That’s correct – despite being born with no arms, Jessica overcame a multitude of obstacles to become the first person with no arms to get her private pilot license. The power of Possible Thinking (check out her website: JessicaCox.com)
We’re thankful to have both Bill and Jessica joining us on this episode, starting out with Jessica and then transitioning to Bill roughly halfway through.
Included among the many topics we discuss are:
- How Jessica’s parents instilled a sense of confidence
- The “lap” talks that young Jessica had with her father Bill
- Some of the hurdles that Jessica had to overcome to become a pilot
- And, many of Jessica’s other accomplishments
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Jessica Flying
The Cox Family
Trailer for “Right Footed”, the story of Jessica Cox (~2.5 min)
nside Edition: Jessica flying, putting in contacts, & playing the piano (~3 min)
Jessica TEDx Tel Aviv Talk (~16 min)
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Jonathan V.: I’m interested in learning a lot about your company and how you got to where you are today. Before we go there, could you tell me a little bit about what that first solo flight felt like for you?
Jessica Cox: Well, it took a long time to finally get to the solo flight, which is a huge step in your flight training. It’s the moment your instructor gets out of the airplane and allows you to take over the controls by yourself. And for me, it was a moment I was waiting for, for a very long time. I had to work extra hard, probably harder than most student pilots, not only with the logistical challenges of flying an airplane, but also finding out, you know, what kind of process I should go through in order to approach it very carefully so that it was safe. And not only that, but that the people like the federal aviation administration, they could support what I was doing. So I had to go through a couple hoops to get through, to be able to get to solo flight. And once I got there, though, it was the most incredible feeling once I landed after that solo flight, because for the first time, I really knew for a fact, I was flying that plane by myself. And that, that almost like gives you that moment in life of transformation. That moment of, if I could do this, then I could do anything you really feel on top of the world. Literally, it feels like that. So it was incredible.
Jonathan V.: I can’t imagine, could you tell me a bit about your motivational speaking business you’re in and your life coach business?
Jessica Cox: I actually started my speaking career right out of college. I had the opportunity to speak as a sophomore in high school to a group of students and not even knowing what it was like to share a part of my life with people. And to be vulnerable to a group of strangers and inspire them in the process, all the while between sophomore year of high school and until senior year of college, I was looking for a way in which I could essentially do it as a career. And that’s when I started to find out about motivational speakers and the career path for them. And I thought, well, let me find some amazing speakers and see if they’ll coach me through how I can develop myself as a keynote international speaker. Sure enough, right out of college, October, which was maybe about three or four months after graduation, I was invited for my first international keynote speech. And I just shared my life. I shared some pointers of what helped me through the challenges and the obstacles, and it became this career that has been with me now for 15 years and has taken me to 27 countries around the world places where they don’t even speak English, to be able to get the message out there. And at times even have a translator there beside me to make sure that people in the audience can hear what I have to share.
Jonathan V.: Rolling back the clock. Thinking about your younger years, could you speak a little bit to what that journey was like for you and how your parents and your father, in particular, helped you to develop the skillset and mindset that you needed to accomplish all of these goals that you’ve accomplished?
Jessica Cox: It just took years of being completely accepting of my situation. Of course, it took the foundation of my parents who ingrained in me that sense of confidence that I needed to have so that I could go out and be who I am, despite the reactions from people. And it’s amazing how making that shift then resulted in a shift in the way people reacted to me. The moment that I was able to change the way that I see myself and see it in a positive light, started to cause people around me to react differently in a very positive, optimistic way, as opposed to how I felt. They reacted to me before, where it was shock, fear and discomfort. And then it became well, once I became confident and accepting of myself, then I was able to go out into the public places like the store, the mall, and people would respond in a very positive way.
Jonathan V.: That’s fantastic. Your parents, as I understand, integrated you into public school early, was that a good thing, a bad thing? Is it something you would recommend?
Jessica Cox: You know, I think every parent wants to shelter their child to a certain extent, especially if there’s more reason for it. And I knew that my mom would often say she didn’t want me to be sheltered. She wanted me to be out there in the world with, you know, eventually, I was going to have to be able to face the world on my own. So the sooner the better. Why keep sheltering, and my parents didn’t think of sheltering me from the outside world, from the reactions I was going to have to learn to deal with it sooner or later. So they enrolled me in everything you can imagine as a kid. I mean, I took dance lessons. I took TaeKwonDo classes. I did modeling, I did girl Scouts and we did parades where we were out in the public eye. I was constantly active every single day after school. They really did incorporate the importance of being out there and not hiding me from the world.
Jonathan V.: Did you confide in them when you experienced challenges in the world?
Jessica Cox: I think I really did confide in my parents. I know that I always had a special talk with my dad in the evenings, but as far back as I can remember, I would just sit on his lap when I was young enough and a small enough I’d sit on his lap after first grade or a tough day at school. And I would obviously tell him the story of how this happened or this happened and how I dealt with it. And he always was willing to be there and lend a listening ear, not always advising, but just being there to listen. And of course, he did give me advice on occasion, but he was there for our talks and that availability to be present for me when I needed it was something that is very vivid in my memory growing up, that I always had that present dad who was there to talk to and have these discussions and conversations. We may not have always had the right answers, but just to talk it out, made it so much easier.
Jonathan V.: It sounds like a safe place.
Jessica Cox: Yes. I feel blessed that I had that because it helped me to process the challenges of being different and to process the challenge of having obstacles and how to deal with the reactions that weren’t always positive, you know, and it’s not always going to be a positive thing growing up when you’re different. So it was just nice to be able to have someone there to understand.
Jonathan V.: You mentioned that he gave advice from time to time. I like how you phrased that because I think many of us fathers self-included tend to give advice all the time. Always trying to feel like I’ve got to solve it and maybe over advising versus just, you know, being there and listening. And when your father did give advice, was there anything that today still sticks out as something that was particularly helpful?
Jessica Cox: One of the things I really loved is that when it came to talking to my dad, he kind of allowed me to come to my own conclusion. Instead of just saying, you know, this is the way to do it. And he facilitated that with either discussion or, you know, questions of, and then, you know, it highlighted to me that, Oh yeah, you’re right. Maybe that was, this is the way to go about it. So he was helping facilitate more than advising. And it gave me more empowerment to come up with the answer on my own with his guidance, as opposed to using someone’s advice and figuring it out from someone else’s perspective or someone else’s experience.
Jonathan V.: I imagine it sticks a lot better that way, too, when you get there on your own. And it feels like your own idea, versus it being something that your parents told you.
Jessica Cox: Yes. I love it. When you can own your own life advice or your own answers because you want to be able to make it your own instead of taking it directly from someone.
Jonathan V.: Yeah. When you think about parents that have children that are either differently able to in general, or have no arms specifically, is there any advice that you would give to those parents?
Jessica Cox: I love that question because I think when you do have children with different disabilities, you know, the tendency is to kind of coddle them or to help them. And in reality, that’s not going to be of much service because independence brings about a huge level of confidence and independence may be harder for some of us because we have to find new ways of doing things. But to stifle someone’s reach for independence is something that I don’t think anyone should do because that independence is so incredible for someone in life. And I always like to say to any parent is to, sometimes you have to have tough love and tough love is not always helping them, even if they really want it, it’s really giving children the space to figure it out on their own because they get that empowerment from figuring it out on their own.
And it is going to be hard to watch at a distance sometimes. But that’s why it’s called tough love is you just have to, sometimes you just have to hold back the tears, or if you have to sit there and watch them and the tears just allow them to flow in, sometimes just watch your child struggles from a distance because that growth, that hardship that they’re experiencing gives them the sense of accomplishment once they do get through it. And that struggle and the difficulty is what helps build their resilience so that if they do come across something that’s difficult or something that seems impossible, they’re less inclined to give up because they’ve learned from the previous experience of difficulty, how to get through it, how to become resilient and how to manage through it.
Jonathan V.: Yeah. And that sounds like fantastic advice for every parent, regardless of whether or not their child has a disability. It’s easy to jump in there and want to help, but that bigger kind of love to have your child is to allow them to develop the resilience that’s going to help them so much later in life as it seems like it’s, it has for you.
Jessica Cox: Definitely has. Yes.
Jonathan V.: Jessica, thank you so much. This has been a great conversation. I’ve really enjoyed talking with you. I really appreciate your time.
Jessica Cox: You’re so welcome. And thank you. And thanks to all the listeners out there for listening to the story.
Jonathan V.: Bill, thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it. I have been very much looking forward to this conversation. A bunch of questions for you about raising your kids. I’m curious, just starting out. What was it like for you when you, when you saw Jessica take her first solo flight?
Bill Cox: Oh, it was great. But I didn’t watch her take it, she was supposed to have taken it, not day before. We had about 20 to 30 people up there at the airport going to watch her take her flight and the flight instructor said it was too windy for her to do or so. And that day she stayed up at the airport in a hotel. And the next morning she went out there by herself to the airport early next morning. And Parish, her instructor said he was calm enough for her to do her flight. It wasn’t, but one other person at airport, other than Mr. Parish. And so he gave her permission to take her flight. So she took off that morning and she got up and she flew around and she came into land and she just grounded where she’s going to land. Cause she wasn’t happy with the direction of the plane. So she went around [inaudible] because they lost their communication, her radio had been turned off or something when she got in there. And, but she remembered they were flying is when everything goes wrong, she was flying the plane so she came around a second time and did a perfect landing though.
Jonathan V.: That’s fantastic. Wow. What a way to have your first flight? Have the comms go down shortly after you lift off, she’s certainly proved her metal. Well, you must be very proud to see that she’s accomplished that and all of these other things. It’s just remarkable.
Bill Cox: Well, she was probably, I’m not being boastful. I’m just telling you the facts. She’s the most popular girl in the Southwest over the world because she’s worked in about 30 countries now. She speaks to 5,000 people in London and she just got back from Egypt. The president of Egypt gave her a big award and she spoke over there and Saudi Arabia the next week or two. And the Prince of Saudi Arabia flew her around in his private jet. She’d just done so many different things. Got the Guinness world book of records and awarded in Italy. And she went down to Rome and presented her award to the Pope in front of all these people. And then she got the Amelia Earhart award in Atchison, Kansas about two years ago. And she’s just done all these marvelous things, but she don’t get that from me. She gets that from her mother. I’m not that brave.
Jonathan V.: Rolling back the clock. Could you tell me what it was? What was it like in the household when Jessica and your other kids were young? And can you remind me how many kids you have? Do you have three kids altogether?
Bill Cox: Yeah. I have an older son. Who’s a priest. He started to be a priest and then he dropped the Pope and picked up a wife and he’s a youth director at the Risen Christ Church in Denver, Colorado now. And then my youngest, my youngest daughter is in solo career. Like I said a while ago, her husband is a major in the army over there. Yeah.
Jonathan V.: And so Jessica is in the middle?
Bill Cox: Jessica in the middle, correct.
Jonathan V.: Were you in Arizona when you’re raising the kids or where was it that?
Bill Cox: My wife was pregnant with Jessica on the way out here from Mississippi, I used to teach Indians [inaudible] in Mississippi. And when I transferred from the BIA to the department of the army, I came to Fort where Tuka as post music director. But my wife, when I moved in January, we came out and lived here in Arizona and she was, Jessica was born the 2nd of February and they came out in January. So it was, my wife was pregnant with Jessica when we moved to Arizona.
Jonathan V.: And was your wife staying at home with the kids or was she working outside of the house?
Bill Cox: My wife was a nurse the earlier years. She had her sister come over from the Philippines and help take care of the kids while she continued her nursing. She worked in several hospitals. Yeah.
Jonathan V.: So Jessica is born. She’s got no arms. She’s got her disabilities. How were you first approaching that as a father?
Bill Cox: There was no problem. I have never, I’m a Christian. I wouldn’t tell you a story. I hope, but I have never lost a teardrop over Jessica since she was born. The day she was born my wife had a C-section, all my kids are C-section and when she was born, I was in the delivery room, holding my wife’s hand. My wife was in chromatic shock for my wife because we didn’t know what she was going to be born without arms when she was born. And so when the doctor said that she was, he showed her the baby and there was no arms, it just really tore my life up. But I was reaching to grab the baby, Jessica and I was hurting her hands, her hands. The doctor had to just divert the baby to the wipe room, wipe her up. I didn’t get the whole, the baby once she came out, but I was taking care of the baby Jessica for the first week in the cry room.
You know, where you wrap the babies and all that. But my wife kind of went in. She went inside, you know, of sehe didn’t want to talk to nobody for a couple of days. It really tore her up, but as time moved on, we cared was [inaudible] hospital. And was two or three times a year had pushed prosthetis made for her. It just been a wonderful experience. It really has. There hasn’t been anything negative about it. And not like I said, I have never even looked at Jessica is doing handicapped at all. Now I’ve always pushed her in everything I could, I pushed her into flying and she’d done most of it herself though. She even learned the [inaudible] in Utah here about a year ago. She was up there in Salt Lake City somewhere. And she did some rock climbing. They had to hook about 10 cables to her, But she done it all. She’s surfs skiis, flies the airplane. She’s tap dances for 12 or 13 years. You just can’t name anything she can’t do, I’ll just tell you that.
Jonathan V.: You said that you pushed her, which I think is fantastic. Could you give an example when she was young of maybe the type of thing where you may have pushed her to challenge her?
Bill Cox: Well, we had we keep from challenging her, when she was in school, she would want to get up on the half slide. And so she’d be sitting there and she’d see the other kids get up on the slide. Her teachers went crazy trying to keep her off that slide, you know, so we didn’t have to push her. She was kind of staring at her for about five seconds, I guess, she had been taking, tap dancing for about a year or so. And so it was time for the concert, well her teacher said, Jessica, cause they had the uniforms made and all that, she was getting ready to perform at night. And she said, tell the teacher that she wanted to be in the back row. She didn’t want to be in front. So the teacher told her, he said, Jessica, there’s no back row. Everybody’s in the front row. So she finally went out there on the stage, when finishing their first performance, the first act that she was in, the audience was clapping so loud, she just couldn’t wait to get back on the stage, that’s just the way it was. She was phenomenal, phenomenal, but she didn’t want to go out there on that stage and be in the front row. She was very sick, not, not having arms, you know?
Jonathan V.: And it seems like you and your wife made a decision early on to introduce Jessica into public school. Was that a difficult decision? How did you arrive to the conclusion to go ahead and integrate her into the public school at an early age?
Bill Cox: That was about the only school they had in Sierra Vista where we were living and what would happen, my wife would carry Jessica down to her new teacher every year, the day before school started. And she would show her where she’s going to have this special desk and show her around the room, introduce her to kind of get her, you know, to have her phone related to this classroom, whatever you said, get her used to what’s happening in the room. Then the next day, all the kids would come with her to school, but it was you know, it was pretty, for Jessica, it probably was more emotional then it was for us, but not wife was very sensitive about that because she defended, you know, always defended Jessica and they were respect. She didn’t want her to get upset or be shunned or anything. You know, they made Sierra elementary up to bill may have some special dress for her, had it made.
And for each classroom had a special desk that was designed for Jessica’s needs. So if you could put her feet up on the desk and study, you know, and so school was not that really bad, except for her not being able to participate in certain things I guess. I wasn’t at the schoolroom, but I’m sure there were many times when she couldn’t do everything that every kid did and, but she plays soccer later on everything. You know, she just came around with no problems, you know, for us, it wasn’t a problem, but she was so aggressive though. And when she was born, I meant to tell you when she first came out first day I did of her life cries, just like eager to [inaudible] go back and forth, back and forth. She was just ready to attach to the world. You know, I’m sorry, I’m not being facetious. I’m telling you the truth.
Jonathan V.: I can believe it. I mean, look at what she’s done right
Bill Cox: From that day wrong though, you know, from her birth, she was always eager to take on any challenge. And she got the, in the high school, the last year, her senior year in high school, she got the Kenny Apple award and that is presented our other schools in Tucson, about 10 or 15 high schools. They give out one award to the most outstanding student with grades everything involvement, everything that you possibly associated with a supreme student, Jessica got it her senior year and they presented the award and all that was done at the big Coliseum in Tucson, she received the Kenny Apple award. That was from her earlier years, you know, when she finished high school, but ever since, ever since then, though she has maxed out in everything. She’s performing Carnegie Hall, she’d been in the White House with President Obama, she knows Harrison Ford, John Travolta, all those at the film festivals. She was a keynote speaker at Oshkosh Wisconsin for three years in a row pilots from all the world, watched her talk. She spoke to all of them, you know, but she’s just done it all. I don’t know how to express it, but she did all, Jessica just had it in her to do all these things. And even today, any challenge that comes before she will master it, if it’s possible, you know,
Jonathan V.: She did mention during some of our younger years that she experienced some bullying in school, you know, I think all kids do. And when you’re different, you can be a target for that even more so than the average kid. Was that something that you found that you coached her through at points in time?
Bill Cox: Well, yeah. Yeah. One kid once, I know, came up to her, you had his arm and his shirt and he’s like, look Jessica I have no arms. I have no arms, you know, I’m sure all kinds of little things like that happened throughout her earlier education, but somehow she just managed to handle it, you know? And of course we had a Filipino American community. My wife was Filipino and we had a birthday party just about every week at the McDonald’s or somewhere I were club members and their kids. So she had a real strong social environment when she was young. So none of those people, they were all very in love with Jessica and, you know, they filmed her and all that, you know, with their hand cameras and stuff but she had her phone support from that type group. Plus her church never worry off. So she didn’t have as bad as time you might think she would have. She really didn’t.
Jonathan V.: That’s interesting though, that seems like it’s you bring up something that can be really helpful for parents that have kids that are different or maybe targets of bullying for whatever reason is that if they are involved with groups in communities outside of that school environment, they do have all of this positive reinforcement and love that they’re receiving in their sense of self-worth isn’t entirely dependent on what their classmates think of them at school. It’s only one part of it. And it sounds like you did a really good job or you family of ensuring that she had different communities that she was involved in outside of school. She mentioned that she has fond memories of lap time conversations with you when she was younger and that you were a fantastic listener. And occasionally you’d guide her to think through different challenges and problems. Was that something that you were purposeful about carving out time to spend with Jessica in that manner?
Bill Cox: Not necessarily. I have two other kids. I tried to be fair to all three of them. I’ve already made this statement. I don’t know whether it’s totally true or not. I know it’s not completely true, but I tried to treat all my kids at the same attention level and to try to, I didn’t do free, created all. I didn’t make her a special case at all. I didn’t give her any slack. She did something wrong. I might suicide. She didn’t give her any sympathy for me is right. That’s probably how she’s so tough nowadays, though.
Jonathan V.: Did you have certain things that you would do with your wife in terms of how you coordinated the parenting responsibilities or conferring together?
Bill Cox: Well, my wife’s sister had come here from the Manilla to spend time. Her family was very concerned about Jessica being born without arms. One of her older sisters came here to live with us for several years. And she did, she helped out a lot with taking care of Jessica. And so my wife had no real major problems, you know, with the babysitting part of Jessica, when she’d go to work, her sister would take over. And Jessica loved her sister like her mother. So I’m just saying my wife and I together, we didn’t do a lot of consulting among ourselves. I was at post music director Fort Wayne Chuka and I had night hours and different times that I would work there. The three years, we talked about different concerns about Jessica over the years.
Jonathan V.: It sounds like you’re Jessica’s biggest cheerleader. And I would have to imagine if you were like that when she was growing up, that it must’ve instilled strong sense of self confidence, and self-assuredness have you always been like that?
Bill Cox: Oh yeah. Yeah, but she did something to me because I’m always bragging about her. You know, she has all these cards she made up or her flying and all that. I give people cards and I say, you know what she’s done and I’m not doing it to be boastful. I’m just doing it to let people know who she is because I know that there’s probably very few girls that have done as much as she has. And I’m not saying that we were being too proud about it, other than we just, God has blessed her so well, I’m saying that she’s just a tremendous person. And people are [inaudible] the president of the United States, everybody who knows her I’m saying, has the same feeling for her. I mean, they know her accomplishments and it’s just, there will never be another Jessica Cox on this earth, I don’t think, in fact, it’s a possibility of course she’s doing it now with Gabby Gifford and Mark [inaudible]. Mark just made Senator [inaudible] African restaurant once in a while here in town. They’re good friends, you know? And I know him a little bit but I just met him once or twice at one of her filmings, but Jessica and her husband, they’re personal friends with Marquis, Gabby Gifford, you know. She has had the opportunity with all that she has done to meet a lot of quality people and be in a lot of quality places.
Jonathan V.: I mean, she’s accomplished more than most people in their lifetimes, right?
Bill Cox: Yeah. And I would have ever accomplished, I just don’t have that kind of determination.
Jonathan V.: And there was her stick with fitness too is really, really remarkable. I’ve got just a few closing questions for you do, you have just a few more minutes.
Bill Cox: Yeah.
Jonathan V.: Wonderful. What are three words that you think your kids or your wife might use to describe your parenting style?
Bill Cox: Yeah. [inaudible] for our kids, we show total interest in our kids and protection for the kids and all that. We care about the church. Make sure they stay in church and God has just blessed my kids tremendously, all three of them. So Jessica is just one of those exceptional persons that comes along every so often. You know, my wife was so religious and devout and dedicated to the family. You know, Filipinos are that way anyway, she’s from the Philippines, Philippines. They are all Family oriented, you know, Filipinos are, they love their family more than they do anything else. And that’s the way she was with my kids. You know, she might not love me that way, but she loved the kids. And she made sure they got anything came along, she never shunned Jessica for attending any of that activity that came around, that Jessica could participate in. And that’s one reason that Jessica has mastered all these different avenues you see, because of her mother and that would support her. But that wasn’t the one who initiated all the, I did initiate her flying because she was speaking for the old rotary club here in Tucson. And after the screech, this gentleman Rob came down, he was a man in charge of right flight in Tucson. That’s where they train young kids to fly. And he comes up and says, Jessica, would you want off learn to fly? And she didn’t say nothing. I said, she sure would.
Jonathan V.: Is there anything that you would’ve done differently as a father looking back on it with the benefit of hindsight?
Bill Cox: You know, I don’t know that anyone has ever asked me that before. Honestly, don’t know anything major that I would have done differently. The main thing with kids, you know, is giving them a loving home, make sure they go to school, make sure they go to church and God pedals the rest of it usually, we were spiritual family and we don’t have to worry about anything in that respect. Even Jessica with no arms, she blessed my family and she just made our family of what they do is, you know, by being like two was and her determinations and her concerns and her challenges that she met, you know. And it really molded our family around her successes, you know, and things, but it all, you know, being spiritual like our family is we believe that God’s handling all that. We never have worried about it. You know, they really hadn’t had any worries over Jessica. No, but my wife was very hypersensitive though, when she was young, because she was a nurse and she didn’t like anybody to hurt Jessica’s feelings, you know, at all, that’s the way it was naturally. Just natural though.
Jonathan V.: Yeah, I think so. I think so last question I had was, is there any advice that you’d give to fathers, either fathers in general or fathers who have a child with a disability?
Bill Cox: Well, I’ll say it like this, when Jessica was born, I was looking through the picture, you know, the crowd room where they put all the babies, you know, and I was standing looking at Jessica and all of a sudden someone came up beside me. It was either a man or a woman. I always have forgotten who it was. And they said to me, well, which child is yours? And I pointed to Jessica and she said, Oh, she said, God, only gives handicapped kids to parents that can take care of them, who loves them and who he respects. And that made me feel real good. You know, at that time she would just a couple of days old, you know? And so this person said must have been a very spiritual person. She said, God only allows parents that he knows will take care of the children, allowed them to have a handicapped child. And so that made me, you know, that made me feel good. Like I didn’t think much of it at that moment I don’t think, but later on I got thinking about that and I said, I guess that’s right, because we had been going to church all these years, devoutly, you know, our family and even my son was becoming a priest, you know, that had a lot to do with her strength all these years is being active in the church. And depending on God’s grace to support us. And I guess I’m talking too much about religion to you, but I would have to say that that one reason that we made it so well and so easily through her upbringing was that we’d never had to worry a lot. You know, we let God do the worrying.
Jonathan V.: No, I’m glad you’re talking about it. It was an important part of of who you are as a person and an important part of your family and how you raised your kids. Bill. Is there anything that we didn’t cover that you’d like to add?
Bill Cox: Jessica, I’ll make this statement and it might sound pretty foolish in a way, but I’ve thought several times, I think if someone came along and said, we gonna give Jessica’s arms, I got thinking, Oh, she don’t need arms. I’m thinking, I don’t even think I would accept them. And I think Jessica has made that statement before, too, that after going, accomplishing the things that she has without arms, I don’t think she would even want a pair of arms to be rebuilt with a person that can arm. She just has so many rewards from not having arms and accomplishments. I think she would say, no, I don’t believe, I believe I’ll pass on that. And I mean, that sounds stupid in a way, but at the same time, she has not been a negative factor in our lives. I would say that she has been an aspiration for our lives, my wife and me, and I hope my two kids think the same way.
Jonathan V.: Countless other people feel that same way. She’s been an inspiration to, certainly to me and all of the other people that you mentioned. And I’m sure beyond the tens of thousands of people that she’s talked to, there’s millions of others who have seen her videos and heard her story who are inspired and have removed the word can’t from their vocabulary. Bill. Thank you so much for your time. I’ve really enjoyed talking with you.
Bill Cox: All right. And I enjoyed the energy. You seem like a very nice person.
Jonathan V.: Thanks. And likewise, it’s really been a pleasure talking with you and I really appreciate your time Bill.
Bill Cox: Alright. Have a wonderful day.
Jonathan V.: You too.